I liked Madness last year, seems to be a real kick back show and its a 2 day camping thing... DangerZone is a local fav but its a 1 day show so far.... HAVOC is also a 2 day show but this last year we were all spread out. I think this year we will find a place to kick it. I'm going to vote on Rubens pad (cops never mess with us out there) but thats up to them hehe. I'd open the madera shop but it might be too far (15 miles north).